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Post by littlefred747 on Aug 20, 2013 18:57:35 GMT -5
don't you think Fox or Douche or any naysayer would prove me wrong if they could? They'd love nothing more than to discredit me. they only threw up name calling garbage and made blanket statements to take away from my thunder when all they had to do was prove me wrong You are smoking some good shit Kevin. It makes no financial sense for anyone to buy Kodak right now. SBG said you need someone more greedy than you guys.... No you need someone more retarded than you. Although I'm sad to report that such a person likely exist he/she or it wouldn't have the money to pull it off. Fools and their money are easily parted as you know quite well. If you don't know the mechanics of how things work why don't you just keep your mouth shut. You are so clueless and yet you keep fabricating irrational nonsense that requires other to prove you wrong. The fact is your ability to generate dumb theories is so great that it is beyond the ability of any single individual to tackle them all. The only time I've seen someone that is in the same league as you was Loser Ken Luuskin. The reality is proof enough dude. Bankruptcy, POR confirmed, shares going to be cancelled. You can take your KKR bullshit and shove it up your butt. The poor shareholders have been through enough even without your misinformation and lies. Fox,,,sounds like you may be an advocate for censorship...imposed by the state I'm guessing. A country where only the smart guys get to speak, vote, own property, or reproduce. There was a certain German leader you really would have loved...
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Post by julgob on Aug 20, 2013 19:00:18 GMT -5
Artic please answer this question.
WHY do you keep posting here if all is done about our stocks ?
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Post by arcticfox on Aug 20, 2013 19:01:45 GMT -5
You are smoking some good shit Kevin. It makes no financial sense for anyone to buy Kodak right now. SBG said you need someone more greedy than you guys.... No you need someone more retarded than you. Although I'm sad to report that such a person likely exist he/she or it wouldn't have the money to pull it off. Fools and their money are easily parted as you know quite well. If you don't know the mechanics of how things work why don't you just keep your mouth shut. You are so clueless and yet you keep fabricating irrational nonsense that requires other to prove you wrong. The fact is your ability to generate dumb theories is so great that it is beyond the ability of any single individual to tackle them all. The only time I've seen someone that is in the same league as you was Loser Ken Luuskin. The reality is proof enough dude. Bankruptcy, POR confirmed, shares going to be cancelled. You can take your KKR bullshit and shove it up your butt. The poor shareholders have been through enough even without your misinformation and lies. Fox,,,sounds like you may be an advocate for censorship...imposed by the state I'm guessing. A country where only the smart guys get to speak, vote, own property, or reproduce. There was a certain German leader you really would have loved... Everyone is allowed to propose hypotheticals. This is an open forum... sort of. But to constantly clutter the forum with moronic irrational speculation and present them as facts is not helping anyone here.
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Post by kevinblandford on Aug 20, 2013 19:02:45 GMT -5
How many shares of Kodak common stock are you long? Started buying 2yrs ago pre bk. added up till 2 weeks ago had planned to add another $25k as far under .10 cents as I could after EC was denied and POR was approved. Then I had a mini meltdown and huge fight with wife. I am in no other play aside from the $25k and a divorce I did bet both testies in 2 weeks I'm either a hero or a zero I won't accept anything else I've never been luke warm.
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Post by arcticfox on Aug 20, 2013 19:05:40 GMT -5
How many shares of Kodak common stock are you long? Started buying 2yrs ago pre bk. added up till 2 weeks ago had planned to add another $25k as far under .10 cents as I could after EC was denied and POR was approved. Then I had a mini meltdown and huge fight with wife. I am in no other play aside from the $25k and a divorce I did bet both testies in 2 weeks I'm either a hero or a zero I won't accept anything else I've never been luke warm. So please clarify for me.. How much did you put into Kodak all together? Notice I didn't ask you how much are you down right now. I know will will happen to every single dime you sunk into it.
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Post by angelsrwatchn on Aug 20, 2013 19:38:30 GMT -5
Would a company want to buy out Kodak at $11.94 a share and take it private or at .07 share and take it private.....given they might be the ones who have been buying and they already own a substantial amount of shares........so once they "buy" the company...they already own millions of the shares and they can use the NOLs? ??JUST ASKING/...... JUST ASKING. Someone has been buying and now is the time for those good souls to come to the aid of their country men and country crones.....
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Post by Admin on Aug 20, 2013 19:43:55 GMT -5
Kevin,
Please don't buy anymore shares.
If you want to let it ride, then let it ride, as there is no reason to put more in it with the stock saying it will be canceled.
I mean come on man, the judge even said out loud that the stock is being canceled.
Look at the tweets from I forget who, Daneman, Houng, and or Tucker (man I'd like to f__ her! Actually I wouldn't, but I liked the way it rhymes, lol)
SBG
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Post by kevinblandford on Aug 20, 2013 19:50:46 GMT -5
In the last 2yrs I have put plenty of skin in the game.
$25k @ .06 would get me well under my .2 goal
if a buyout doesn't happen I will lose everything my grandmother left me
and the money I got for selling one of my businesses
and about 1/3 of a house I recently sold in Belgium.
I really don't feel the need to buy more.
If I am right I will make a very handsome profit from where I stand right now.
and if I'm wrong I lost way more than the monies described
however, if I am right the profit will be far more than the stock value as I was calling this out when others were blind
the ability to do that is worth more than the money
do you understand?
if I'm right about KKR think tanks will want to know the corn fed hillbilly better
the money i make from the stock will only add to the joy of being right when everyone said otherwise
those who irritated me will not be able to get my attention
and if I wrong I'm just another asshole in the corn who lost all his money in a bankrupt stock.
At this point we have to wait to see if I am a hero or a zero.
This balls to to wall approach stands to give me wayyyyyyyyyyyyy more than I stand to lose.
If I am right, my life changes forever.
If I am wrong it really doesn't change that much.
Either way I will continue to work, travel and eat well.
The only difference will be if it's a steak at Ponderosa in Colorado or sea food in Milan.
I've laid the money where my mouth is.
I'll either be the average schmuck or the guy who thinks outside the box.
I'd like to be the guy who thinks outside the box but I can live with being an average schmuck.
I'm only 42.
If I am wrong there is time to rebuild all that I have lost.
but if I am right I put Pro, Golden, Fox, Conway, Lazard, Sullivan and Cromwell and other fine minds to shame by Babe Ruth'in this play long ago
it will have been time stamped and dated
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Post by We Got Hosed!!! on Aug 20, 2013 20:00:13 GMT -5
bravo Kevin.. I got nothing to loose but a few pennies now anyway.
So, let's just GO ALL IN and let's see the last card.
For better or worse, the journey ends in 2 weeks.
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Post by Admin on Aug 20, 2013 20:14:26 GMT -5
Okay then.
If you liked it at .055, you will LOVE it at .03.
Wait for the .03, this way you only have to put in 12.5k instead of 25k.
SBG
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Post by littlefred747 on Aug 20, 2013 20:24:50 GMT -5
Okay then. If you liked it at .055, you will LOVE it at .03. Wait for the .03, this way you only have to put in 12.5k instead of 25k. SBG Nope...winners like KB and Charlie Sheen don't think like that. At .03 KB can buy twice as much! KB...I aint laughing at ya...just laughing with ya....k
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Post by We Got Hosed!!! on Aug 20, 2013 20:30:29 GMT -5
Okay then. If you liked it at .055, you will LOVE it at .03. Wait for the .03, this way you only have to put in 12.5k instead of 25k. SBG If that is the case, please sell me some of your shares at .03. deal? gents' agreement?
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Post by kevinblandford on Aug 20, 2013 20:40:09 GMT -5
SBG-
I value my wife more than everything described above or I would buy more.
It would be disrespectful to disregard her wishes when she has trusted me this far.
Her reasoning is valid.
If I am right we will make a small fortune and I will find the ear of someone who respects my abilities.
My risk/reward is now set in stone.
I really have little to gain by adding more shares when looked at thru the light described above.
I'm already a hero or zero.
My insight, or lack of, will already be amplified sufficiently.
Now we just wait and see as the bet and bed are made.
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Post by jacksonhole1965 on Aug 20, 2013 21:00:49 GMT -5
I have yet to see anybody tell Kevin that his speculation cannot happen because it is not legally possible. If it is not possible for another company to come in and submitt a better POR before Sept. 3rd then please provide the legal proof..
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Post by fufat on Aug 20, 2013 21:16:32 GMT -5
Does anybody know about if the pre-trials court date of September 19, 2013 is still on. I just checked GROUPER's calendar before today showed on 8/20 date but now are gone. Was this resolved today!!
I believe it was pertaining to Shutterfly and Global OLED VS Kodak
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Post by kevinblandford on Aug 20, 2013 21:18:20 GMT -5
they woulda done that about 5 hours ago . . .
it is a fact: Kodak is CURRENTLY being "bought out" for about 500 mill via A NEW OWNER CHANGE
you can't debate that
naysayers can only argue a higher offer isn't out there
they can not argue a buyout can not happen
they can only scream it won't
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Post by littlefred747 on Aug 20, 2013 21:18:24 GMT -5
I have yet to see anybody tell Kevin that his speculation cannot happen because it is not legally possible. If it is not possible for another company to come in and submitt a better POR before Sept. 3rd then please provide the legal proof.. What has "legality" had to do with the process so far anyway..? The Goon with the gavel pretty much dashed it all today.
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Post by cswift71 on Aug 20, 2013 21:33:06 GMT -5
I have yet to see anybody tell Kevin that his speculation cannot happen because it is not legally possible. If it is not possible for another company to come in and submitt a better POR before Sept. 3rd then please provide the legal proof.. No...people would rather attack him for his theory. Only time will tell if he is right or wrong. What is the problem with putting that possible outcome our there? I find it curious numerous people jump on him when he does discuss this.
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Post by thekodakkid on Aug 20, 2013 21:57:58 GMT -5
Kevin is 100% correct the 5% is NOT set in stone. If someone tried to acquire Kodak now for more money the unsecured debt would be the main beneficiary. On the other hand there is NO benefit for anyone(KKR nor KY Jelly) to bid for the company to any point that would justify a level that could possibly include common holders. The only way that would happen is in a bidding war? Everyone outside of the NUTs forum knows this aint happening.
The acquirer would not care to salvage the NOL's cause the acquirer would save MUCH more money just paying less to buy Kodak rather than to pay up 1.8 billion(in order to reach common holders) in cash to maintain the 3 billion in NOL's (which might have a cash value of 7 or 800 million at best).
The game is over. Kevin seems like a lunatic pumper who wont quit until the stock is Zeroooooo and you never hear from him again......
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Post by thekodakkid on Aug 20, 2013 22:08:00 GMT -5
I find it truly amazing how smart Kevin is in his own imagination. If he is half as intelligent as he imagines he would be buying debt for .05 which is risk free at this point and if he is right he would make 20 fold. If he is wrong he gets new stock for his .05 investment.
I sure hope he could be right, but I know its NOT possible......Keep smoking that crack Kevin you are about to go to zero with the rest of the NUT's, although I wish it wasn't so
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Post by We Got Hosed!!! on Aug 20, 2013 22:13:08 GMT -5
You alright Kid, Kevin refuse to be save.
You are talking to a wall little buddy.
Due to your wisdom, I'm selling every shares in the morning.
thanks for again little buddy!!
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Post by jacksonhole1965 on Aug 20, 2013 22:21:54 GMT -5
Whens the next bip party at the castle in WaterMill? I'm hoping for an invite. I'm not KIDding.
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Post by kevinblandford on Aug 20, 2013 22:24:57 GMT -5
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Post by rc1974 on Aug 20, 2013 22:28:48 GMT -5
I too, agree with Kevin. If someone wants to buy, then they can buy. Why buy before all deals are cut, or after the new company is out. Right now, is actually, the best time to buy. All deals are done, so liabilities are minimized and the company is priced at a low convenient price. Buying before the deals, puts you in a bad situation, as all deals would fail if someone is willing to buy the company and pay more for liabilities. Buying after the new stock is issued, means paying a premium. Nobody knows if we have a chance or not, but if you think this is for you, then stay in. I am. If you are not in agreement with this, then I say, that I really don't care to hear from you. I also don't understand why anyone cares so much to make the point that this theory is wrong. Not believing a buyer is out there, is ok, but discrediting the theory is not. I am investing my own money, not arctic fox's or anyone elses money. I think some people are just trying to antagonize and prove that they were right, but so what. It is not over yet. Maybe you can talk later in the game, when its over. Either way, I don't understand this need to say, "I told you so". We are trying this risky path, because we hope this can happen.
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Post by newyorkled2008 on Aug 20, 2013 22:32:06 GMT -5
Don't mind me folks. I already sold AGAIN last week.
But I Just logged in real quick to have the pleasure of banning Kid all over again.
Wishing you all a wonderful rest of your lives. ;-)
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Post by updated on Aug 20, 2013 22:32:20 GMT -5
RC, did you just read my mind!!? Good luck to you RC and Kevin, (Kevin is a good man) wish him the best I too, agree with Kevin. If someone wants to buy, then they can buy. Why buy before all deals are cut, or after the new company is out. Right now, is actually, the best time to buy. All deals are done, so liabilities are minimized and the company is priced at a low convenient price. Buying before the deals, puts you in a bad situation, as all deals would fail if someone is willing to buy the company and pay more for liabilities. Buying after the new stock is issued, means paying a premium. Nobody knows if we have a chance or not, but if you think this is for you, then stay in. I am. If you are not in agreement with this, then I say, that I really don't care to hear from you. I also don't understand why anyone cares so much to make the point that this theory is wrong. Not believing a buyer is out there, is ok, but discrediting the theory is not. I am investing my own money, not arctic fox's or anyone elses money. I think some people are just trying to antagonize and prove that they were right, but so what. It is not over yet. Maybe you can talk later in the game, when its over. Either way, I don't understand this need to say, "I told you so". We are trying this risky path, because we hope this can happen.
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Post by updated on Aug 20, 2013 22:33:47 GMT -5
Newyork, can you ban Arctic and Tulip and Jr and the other bashers, they are filled with hate thx in advance Don't mind me folks. I already sold AGAIN last week. But I Just logged in real quick to have the pleasure of banning Kid all over again. Wishing you all a wonderful rest of your lives. ;-)
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Post by jacksonhole1965 on Aug 20, 2013 23:02:31 GMT -5
Good luck to you NY.
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Post by arcticfox on Aug 20, 2013 23:03:02 GMT -5
SBG- I value my wife more than everything described above or I would buy more. It would be disrespectful to disregard her wishes when she has trusted me this far. Her reasoning is valid. If I am right we will make a small fortune and I will find the ear of someone who respects my abilities. My risk/reward is now set in stone. I really have little to gain by adding more shares when looked at thru the light described above. I'm already a hero or zero. My insight, or lack of, will already be amplified sufficiently. Now we just wait and see as the bet and bed are made. Your mistake is being a fool. Her mistake was marrying one. Hope you guys don't have any kids. You are a zero Kevin. You just don't know it yet.
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Post by updated on Aug 20, 2013 23:19:53 GMT -5
www.macabacus.com/lbo-model/net-operating-lossesKid I think Kodak is worth far more 1.8 Billions... LBO is very possible Kevin is 100% correct the 5% is NOT set in stone. If someone tried to acquire Kodak now for more money the unsecured debt would be the main beneficiary. On the other hand there is NO benefit for anyone(KKR nor KY Jelly) to bid for the company to any point that would justify a level that could possibly include common holders. The only way that would happen is in a bidding war? Everyone outside of the NUTs forum knows this aint happening. The acquirer would not care to salvage the NOL's cause the acquirer would save MUCH more money just paying less to buy Kodak rather than to pay up 1.8 billion(in order to reach common holders) in cash to maintain the 3 billion in NOL's (which might have a cash value of 7 or 800 million at best). The game is over. Kevin seems like a lunatic pumper who wont quit until the stock is Zeroooooo and you never hear from him again......
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