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Post by johndeere on Aug 23, 2013 10:19:38 GMT -5
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Post by goldentouch on Aug 23, 2013 10:31:42 GMT -5
The simplest answer, the businesses outside of the US are subsidiaries of kodak and are included in the 10Q. That means Kodak (the company of which you own shares) owns the businesses outside of the US. With all the subsidiaries and Kodak (as a whole) money for the last 10 years. Kodak is now in chapter 11 and about to be given to new owners. That includes all businesses outside of the US because they are owned the Kodak, and not separate entities. Look up what a blanket mortgage is, this is basically that is happening here in respect to Kodak and the Subs
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Post by fufat on Aug 23, 2013 10:43:34 GMT -5
The simplest answer, the businesses outside of the US are subsidiaries of kodak and are included in the 10Q. That means Kodak (the company of which you own shares) owns the businesses outside of the US. With all the subsidiaries and Kodak (as a whole) money for the last 10 years. Kodak is now in chapter 11 and about to be given to new owners. That includes all businesses outside of the US because they are owned the Kodak, and not separate entities. Look up what a blanket mortgage is, this is basically that is happening here in respect to Kodak and the Subs Yes the Subs are included in the 10Q because their part of the company, but they are not part of the Bankruptcy. This is why many are confused in this fact. How can a company be partially in Chapter 11 and the rest of the company is not and making profits. Are there any examples of other companies that were in this exact same situation? It doesn't seem logical!!!!
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Post by justice4kodak on Aug 23, 2013 10:44:14 GMT -5
Only mother fuckers Rubber and US Dis-trustee can do that. This is called take-over dictatorship and proceeds as follows. 1- In order to blind us and to cheat share holders with lies and robberies, Kodak BOD has filed BK chapter 11 in US only. 2- To cancel EK shares without an EC, share holders are beaten up and not allowed to cry???!!!! 3- Rubber and US Dis-Trustee allow Kodak BOD to delay the BK process from filing POR from january to now, month to month delay , but does not have time for share holders to talk due to lack of congress hours!!!! ? Justice for America, justice for innocent investors, justice for Kodak share holders, please. Justice, justice, real justice, please. Justice, justice, real justice, please. Justice, justice, real justice, please. Justice, justice, real justice, please.
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Post by fufat on Aug 23, 2013 10:48:32 GMT -5
Rubber and US Dis-trustee, HAHAHAHA!!! Instead of Rubber for Gropper I like Grouper The fish!! HA
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Post by goldentouch on Aug 23, 2013 12:01:41 GMT -5
The simplest answer, the businesses outside of the US are subsidiaries of kodak and are included in the 10Q. That means Kodak (the company of which you own shares) owns the businesses outside of the US. With all the subsidiaries and Kodak (as a whole) money for the last 10 years. Kodak is now in chapter 11 and about to be given to new owners. That includes all businesses outside of the US because they are owned the Kodak, and not separate entities. Look up what a blanket mortgage is, this is basically that is happening here in respect to Kodak and the Subs Yes the Subs are included in the 10Q because their part of the company, but they are not part of the Bankruptcy. This is why many are confused in this fact. How can a company be partially in Chapter 11 and the rest of the company is not and making profits. Are there any examples of other companies that were in this exact same situation? It doesn't seem logical!!!! Look up ( ticket xide) old bk... The are in bk again... Shareholders got canceled and new shareholders got everything including international businesses. The thing to consider with these bk preceedings is are the companies international or domestic companies. If it is a international (headed outside of us) company then they can use chapter 11 to cut debt and the same owners own the international business (those does not apply because for the most part you will not invest in an international company). If the company is domestic then the outside the US businesses are SUBSIDIARIES to them lF you own the Company the subs come with it (look up what a subsidiary is might help you understand better).
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Post by pearlhandle on Aug 23, 2013 13:12:10 GMT -5
Can anyone point me to documentation that would prove this is a legal process? Sorry Golden, your word doesn't mean much on this one.
Also, Kodak gave DI & PI to Europe to satisfy retiree debt. DI & PI was US based and in C11. Since they are going to an entente that is not in BK, does Kodak have to remove them from BK before they can give them away? Just asking.
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Post by goldentouch on Aug 23, 2013 13:54:02 GMT -5
No offence taken, that's why you guys are in this position. Did you even look up what a subsidiary is? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SubsidiaryA company that is partially or (in this case) FULL OWNER. Therefore if the owner has a debt it can be taken away from them... I also told you guys to look up a blanket loan but I am sure none of you go getters actually did.
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Post by pearlhandle on Aug 23, 2013 14:10:19 GMT -5
"No offence taken, that's why you guys are in this position."
Excuse me!! Are you saying that all of us on this board are in our current position because we didn't listen to you, or take your word as gospel? Goldie, you have slung so much BS on this board it isn't even funny. Let go of your pecker my man - - you aren't the stud you think you are!! Enjoy life with yourself.
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Post by kevinblandford on Aug 23, 2013 14:57:31 GMT -5
Douche -
Came back to call you a retard again.
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Post by goldentouch on Aug 23, 2013 15:00:48 GMT -5
Its ok buddy, anyone with a brain knows who the real retard is....
Just got off the phone with Henry, told me to tell you that you lost both testes...
Lets play a trivia game for a camera I never sent out...
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Post by kevinblandford on Aug 23, 2013 15:13:10 GMT -5
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Post by cswift71 on Aug 23, 2013 15:14:41 GMT -5
Golden sure seems to have a lot of pent up anger and aggression for somebody that is going to own 1/10th of the new company. I thought he would be a little more happy. Also the well timed trade of EK stock earlier this week that got him a long vacation in Hawaii. Chill Golden...chill.
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Post by arcticfox on Aug 23, 2013 15:44:28 GMT -5
The simplest answer, the businesses outside of the US are subsidiaries of kodak and are included in the 10Q. That means Kodak (the company of which you own shares) owns the businesses outside of the US. With all the subsidiaries and Kodak (as a whole) money for the last 10 years. Kodak is now in chapter 11 and about to be given to new owners. That includes all businesses outside of the US because they are owned the Kodak, and not separate entities. Look up what a blanket mortgage is, this is basically that is happening here in respect to Kodak and the Subs Yes the Subs are included in the 10Q because their part of the company, but they are not part of the Bankruptcy. This is why many are confused in this fact. How can a company be partially in Chapter 11 and the rest of the company is not and making profits. Are there any examples of other companies that were in this exact same situation? It doesn't seem logical!!!! This issue was discussed ad nauseam over a year ago. But apparently most people here didn't bother reading about it. The following is just one example. Go to Yahoo board and search for mothership, papa Kodak, cashier... all those search terms should turn up posts that I made on the subject of foreign subsidiary. finance.yahoo.com/mbview/threadview/;_ylt=AlezE85TUnajEoFZb5JwYSXeAohG;_ylu=X3oDMTB2cGlrdDVpBHBvcwMxMQRzZWMDTWVkaWFNc2dCb2FyZHNYSFJVbHQ-;_ylg=X3oDMTBhYWM1a2sxBGxhbmcDZW4tVVM-;_ylv=3?&bn=0b0d9f80-b903-3aff-a4ea-77eede16e619&tid=1336337661000-6265bced-cf42-3ddf-80bc-72c6c83eca9fbut in any case... it's kind of late to be learning about that stuff now.
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Post by johndeere on Aug 23, 2013 16:42:32 GMT -5
Thank you Arctic
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Post by goldentouch on Aug 23, 2013 16:56:36 GMT -5
Golden sure seems to have a lot of pent up anger and aggression for somebody that is going to own 1/10th of the new company. I thought he would be a little more happy. Also the well timed trade of EK stock earlier this week that got him a long vacation in Hawaii. Chill Golden...chill. No swift, I will own 1/1 of Kodak... pay attention.
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Post by cswift71 on Aug 23, 2013 17:04:29 GMT -5
Golden sure seems to have a lot of pent up anger and aggression for somebody that is going to own 1/10th of the new company. I thought he would be a little more happy. Also the well timed trade of EK stock earlier this week that got him a long vacation in Hawaii. Chill Golden...chill. No swift, I will own 1/1 of Kodak... pay attention. Then you really need to chill. You are acting like you are the one having the carpet yanked from under your feet. Kinda funny to watch actually.
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Post by updated on Aug 23, 2013 21:40:35 GMT -5
Hey retard, why are you here? Its ok buddy, anyone with a brain knows who the real retard is.... Just got off the phone with Henry, told me to tell you that you lost both testes... Lets play a trivia game for a camera I never sent out...
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Post by littlefred747 on Aug 23, 2013 23:10:04 GMT -5
Hey retard, why are you here? Its ok buddy, anyone with a brain knows who the real retard is.... Just got off the phone with Henry, told me to tell you that you lost both testes... Lets play a trivia game for a camera I never sent out... Careful Updat-o...you are addressing the new owner of EK...I'm sure AP, the BOD and the legal shiesters are going to treat Golden like royalty...I mean they have such a trustworthy track record. He is almost as giddy as the day I first bought EK shares 2 years ago... Dreamy eyes! You go boy!
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Post by updated on Aug 24, 2013 0:38:49 GMT -5
This is a great video Kev, I hope the unpleasant retard Arctic listens to it
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Post by fufat on Aug 25, 2013 6:56:45 GMT -5
If there is a pre-emergence buyout in the works... the new owner also could utilize the 5.7 BIL in treasury stock that is sitting on the balance sheet under shareholder equity. That has to be worth something!! Since the treasury stock was bought at different times the average I read was around $40 a share at about 119MIL shares. If someone were to buyout this company before emergence and through time the stock would rise say back to the day of $40/share or more, the company could issue those shares back into circulation. It would lower the PPS at that moment but bring more value to the company in the future. This of course is just my view, but would the treasury stock be something a company consider when thinking of a buyout? 5.7BIL is a lot of money just sitting on the books. Any Thoughts? www.macabacus.com/valuation/lbo/leveraged-recapRead more: www.kodak.boards.net/thread/6428/end-near?page=3#ixzz2cyu7Y16u
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