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Post by kadokowl on Aug 28, 2013 16:14:47 GMT -5
Say the shares are going down the shitter and I loose all value from this investment if you could even call it that
Okay I'm out almost 10 grand
BUT
Anywhere after Post Emergence from EK that signifies there was value to give to shareholders or that they hid something or cheated in any way Thats a class action or some sort against them waiting to happen
EK will have a lot of tracks to cover up this fraud
And i say fraud because thats what this IS! They seal any document pertaining to value Licensing deals, creditor deals, and partnership agreements. Then they act low key while they sell us out to the banks. Executives take hefty bonuses even the judge had to question and get to keep their jobs with the company. WHY this isn't the usual MO!
They robbed us.
And when they want to go out and spend the dirty money they will have to be clever about how they justify the companies value because people will question how they could be doing so good when they were so poor just months ago.
You can only spin a web of lies so much until it gets all tangled up
If Kodak doesn't have some sort of plan B then I think justice will eventually find its target
And IF NOT then hell I paid 10 grand for a crash course on BK literally!
Bashers need no reply No foxes welcome in this hen house.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 17:05:35 GMT -5
Trust me, you will be part of any class action suit if you held shares at any time during the bankruptcy. There is no logical reason to hold them thru cancellation, unless you believe in some last minute buyout theory (which I do not).
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Post by updated on Aug 28, 2013 17:21:07 GMT -5
we know you are on the other side ... so stay there Trust me, you will be part of any class action suit if you held shares at any time during the bankruptcy. There is no logical reason to hold them thru cancellation, unless you believe in some last minute buyout theory (which I do not).
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Post by Marriott on Aug 28, 2013 17:36:09 GMT -5
kadokowl:
You have decided to stay in till the end because : " Anywhere after Post Emergence from EK that signifies there was value to give to shareholders or that they hid something or cheated in any way Thats a class action or some sort against them waiting to happen. "
Let's assume that nothing of the sort happens . Further, I am going to assume that if you sold tomorrow you would receive $ 3,000 .00 cash ( in your account ) .
If you could find a high yield fund that pays 10 % dividends per year , you could begin an income stream of $ 300.00 per year ( simple interest, much greater yield with compounding ...) with the cash received.
Just think about this for a moment ! And make the best decision for yourself and your family .
There are many of us who have lived through the KODAK saga .
I ask you now, is your action to stay in till the end about KODAK or about YOU !
....from someone who also lost money in KODAK and decided a different way to move forward .
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Post by kadokowl on Aug 28, 2013 17:51:18 GMT -5
Trust me, you will be part of any class action suit if you held shares at any time during the bankruptcy. There is no logical reason to hold them thru cancellation, unless you believe in some last minute buyout theory (which I do not). Thats debatable. And if you would be entitled to any amount it be substantially lower than those who held through cancellation. That seems like the more logical rational if you disagree then sell your shares if you disagree but want me to sell my shares for some lame excuse like you care about my overall financial condition then quote the law that backs up your words. Otherwise i'll stick with my strategy.
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Post by kadokowl on Aug 28, 2013 17:58:34 GMT -5
kadokowl: You have decided to stay in till the end because : " Anywhere after Post Emergence from EK that signifies there was value to give to shareholders or that they hid something or cheated in any way Thats a class action or some sort against them waiting to happen. " Let's assume that nothing of the sort happens . Further, I am going to assume that if you sold tomorrow you would receive $ 3,000 .00 cash ( in your account ) . If you could find a high yield fund that pays 10 % dividends per year , you could begin an income stream of $ 300.00 per year ( simple interest, much greater yield with compounding ...) with the cash received. Just think about this for a moment ! And make the best decision for yourself and your family . There are many of us who have lived through the KODAK saga . I ask you now, is your action to stay in till the end about KODAK or about YOU ! ....from someone who also lost money in KODAK and decided a different way to move forward . If you have to ask then you'll never understand why Sounds to me like you'd wish others to follow your suit in order for you to justify your own decision. I've made mine choice. Further more, I can live with the results of my choice unlike you, whom I can tell is uncertain with thiers.
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Post by Marriott on Aug 28, 2013 18:17:40 GMT -5
You wrote " If you have to ask then you'll never understand why Sounds to me like you'd wish others to follow your suit in order for you to justify your own decision. I've made mine choice. Further more, I can live with the results of my choice unlike you, whom I can tell is uncertain with thiers. "
OK .
May I ask that you reread this post in six months ?
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Post by rc1974 on Aug 28, 2013 20:31:32 GMT -5
Angels,
Could not agree more. I will not be sad after Kodak goes to zero, but I know I made this decision as a risk that I am willing to take. Some of us, don't like risking and cannot understand, but others do. Nobody knows for sure, what will happen, but only two outcomes are feasible. Either win or lose. We know that and are ok with it, at least I am. Look at AMR. It worked out for them. What were investors supposed to do, when bankruptcy was filed. All should have fled, but some stayed and were probably bashed, and guess who made 20x in a few months?
I am staying till the end,under a hope for something good to happen. I am looking at the numbers and after the KPP deal, Kodak is looking very good. Why they want to cancel the shares is a trick, in my opinion. Not sure why, but it does not make numbers sense, not common sense, but the numbers don't add up. Some thing is tricky here.
After the KPP deal and the patents deal, Kodak should be green and someone know that except for a Judge not good at math....
Good luck to us all.
RC
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Post by kadokowl on Aug 28, 2013 20:31:35 GMT -5
You wrote " If you have to ask then you'll never understand why Sounds to me like you'd wish others to follow your suit in order for you to justify your own decision. I've made mine choice. Further more, I can live with the results of my choice unlike you, whom I can tell is uncertain with thiers. " OK . May I ask that you reread this post in six months ? May I ask that you reread the title of this post RIGHT NOW! This is my reason for holding. Not reasons for everyone else to hold. I don't give a shit what you or anyone else does with their chips. Take em out play em let em ride em eat em I DON'T CARE! Their yours! You can go put your money into your shitty high yield investment but keep my name off the sign up sheet pal I can't loose everything i may loose my money time from time but i'll never loose my heart and drive!
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Post by kadokowl on Aug 28, 2013 20:35:57 GMT -5
Angels, Could not agree more. I will not be sad after Kodak goes to zero, but I know I made this decision as a risk that I am willing to take. Some of us, don't like risking and cannot understand, but others do. Nobody knows for sure, what will happen, but only two outcomes are feasible. Either win or lose. We know that and are ok with it, at least I am. Look at AMR. It worked out for them. What were investors supposed to do, when bankruptcy was filed. All should have fled, but some stayed and were probably bashed, and guess who made 20x in a few months? I am staying till the end,under a hope for something good to happen. I am looking at the numbers and after the KPP deal, Kodak is looking very good. Why they want to cancel the shares is a trick, in my opinion. Not sure why, but it does not make numbers sense, not common sense, but the numbers don't add up. Some thing is tricky here. After the KPP deal and the patents deal, Kodak should be green and someone know that except for a Judge not good at math.... Good luck to us all. RC Essentially Kodak will need to figure out a way to launder the companies future value they stole from us. Come up with some bullshit excuse to inflate the value of some new idea or project in order to justify their worth. And pray no one connects the dots back to this heist.
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Post by rc1974 on Aug 28, 2013 20:46:01 GMT -5
You wrote " If you have to ask then you'll never understand why Sounds to me like you'd wish others to follow your suit in order for you to justify your own decision. I've made mine choice. Further more, I can live with the results of my choice unlike you, whom I can tell is uncertain with thiers. " OK . May I ask that you reread this post in six months ? May I ask that you reread the title of this post RIGHT NOW! This is my reason for holding. Not reasons for everyone else to hold. I don't give a shit what you or anyone else does with their chips. Take em out play em let em ride em eat em I DON'T CARE! Their yours! You can go put your money into your shitty high yield investment but keep my name off the sign up sheet pal I can't loose everything i may loose my money time from time but i'll never loose my heart and drive! That's right, so we can have toilet paper money! I would rather lose it all and take this risk, then I can still buy the toilet paper. RC
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Post by updated on Aug 28, 2013 20:59:53 GMT -5
So Marriot? where you long and now you decided to flip and you want everyone to sell, or that was your color from the beginning but you were afraid to show it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 21:14:33 GMT -5
we know you are on the other side ... so stay there Trust me, you will be part of any class action suit if you held shares at any time during the bankruptcy. There is no logical reason to hold them thru cancellation, unless you believe in some last minute buyout theory (which I do not). If you mean the logical side, then I agree with you. Holding thru cancellation makes little sense for the reason given. My point is that you do not need to hold thru cancellation to part of the class action. I know, I have been in them before. As long as you held shares during the time in question, all they will want to know is when did you purchase (and for how much) and when did you sell (and for how much). So do what you want to do, but base it on reality. Not some noble gesture.
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Post by updated on Aug 28, 2013 21:23:28 GMT -5
GEOEASTMAN - why are you here?!! you belong on yahoo! or you have been reassigned!?
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Post by kadokowl on Aug 28, 2013 21:33:45 GMT -5
GEOEASTMAN - why are you here?!! you belong on yahoo! or you have been reassigned!? He does full time on yahoo Over time on here lol If they don't acquire their strict quota of shares, his christmas bonus won't be lookin that good so hes rackin up them hours
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Post by kevinblandford on Aug 28, 2013 21:36:34 GMT -5
Whoaaaaaaaa hold it boys
This last year, Geo & Marriott have proven to be thoughtful, calm and controlled, and CURRENTLY the superior thinkers
I toss little aside without consideration, much less the thoughts of respectful people
They have provided something to look at and be considered
they do not run around telling everyone else how wrong they are
if indeed ANYONE has a position to DEFEND, rather than debate, it's the one holding right now
whatever the reasons for holding, we are banded by "associated" thought and should be aware of it
having done that, we will have ears to listen to opposing thought
I understand the frustrations
and my own imperfections and need to prove myself right
so I picked 2 pinata's to beat on
In so many ways I am ashamed of my own behavior
as is better to focus on self improvement rather than the someone elses
right or wrong does not really matter
it is how you carry yourself afterwards that determines how your future looks
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Post by updated on Aug 28, 2013 21:45:33 GMT -5
Brilliant - Free advise to the DOC - CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?@@??@ DOC - G F U --- google it lol Whoaaaaaaaa hold it boys This last year, Geo & Marriott have proven to be thoughtful, calm and controlled, and CURRENTLY the superior thinkers I toss little aside without consideration, much less the thoughts of respectful people They have provided something to look at and be considered they do not run around telling everyone else how wrong they are if indeed ANYONE has a position to DEFEND, rather than debate, it's the one holding right now whatever the reasons for holding, we are banded by "associated" thought and should be aware of it having done that, we will have ears to listen to opposing thought I understand the frustrations and my own imperfections and need to prove myself right so I picked 2 pinata's to beat on In so many ways I am ashamed of my own behavior as is better to focus on self improvement rather than the someone elses right or wrong does not really matter it is how you carry yourself afterwards that determines how your future looks
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Post by kevinblandford on Aug 28, 2013 21:52:29 GMT -5
For example, at one time I respected Fox's brain a great deal
and followed him as such for over a year
it was the way he carried himself that made me reject him
even if he proves himself right he has not gained the respect he was after
and as a contrast, even if I prove wrong, many of the naysayers and people I lost with will respect the creativity and tone and choose to advance with me anyway
the strongest army can never win if it is LOSING soldiers and support
the weakest rebellion comes to power only after GAINING support from those leaving any previous thought
do you understand?
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Post by kadokowl on Aug 28, 2013 22:44:43 GMT -5
Yes by all means add your own perspective thats great!
Thats what this board is for to share info
But when you start telling people what to do with their investments thats when I call BS
Like these guys are JG Wentworth "it's Your Money! Get it when you need it Now!"
this is why i make fun of fox and others why do they care so much???
I have my own views but i don't tell people what to do with their fortunes
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Post by updated on Aug 28, 2013 22:56:03 GMT -5
Exactly...you go kodakowl... Yes by all means add your own perspective thats great! Thats what this board is for to share info But when you start telling people what to do with their investments thats when I call BS Like these guys are JG Wentworth "it's Your Money! Get it when you need it Now!" this is why i make fun of fox and others why do they care so much??? I have my own views but i don't tell people what to do with their fortunes
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Post by sarah7d on Aug 29, 2013 0:01:17 GMT -5
Updated, was just thinking... What if you and others sold and used the proceeds to hires a lawyer to start the fraud investigation? Seems better than waiting for the shares to go to 0.
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Post by angelsrwatchn on Aug 29, 2013 0:04:40 GMT -5
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by We Got Hosed!!! on Aug 29, 2013 0:17:30 GMT -5
Updated, was just thinking... What if you and others sold and used the proceeds to hires a lawyer to start the fraud investigation? Seems better than waiting for the shares to go to 0. is that a joke Sarah? If there is a buyout, there's no need to hire the blood suckers. Besides, if you have a slam dunk case, those blood suckers will come to you. You don't win, YOU don't pay. That's when you know you got'em by the balls.
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Post by sarah7d on Aug 29, 2013 1:00:09 GMT -5
I was asking updated since he's holding to the end so he is part of any fraud case. Don't think he needs to be holding to the end to be included so why not sell now and use the money for a lawyer?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 6:25:19 GMT -5
Trust me, you will be part of any class action suit if you held shares at any time during the bankruptcy. There is no logical reason to hold them thru cancellation, unless you believe in some last minute buyout theory (which I do not). Thats debatable. And if you would be entitled to any amount it be substantially lower than those who held through cancellation. That seems like the more logical rational if you disagree then sell your shares if you disagree but want me to sell my shares for some lame excuse like you care about my overall financial condition then quote the law that backs up your words. Otherwise i'll stick with my strategy. Its not debatable at all. You clearly are incorrect. I gather you have never participated in a class action suit. I have in several. So here is your proof: Pay attention to questions 12 and 15... But read the whole thing. The only relevant info is when you purchased, not when you sold. If you purchased before the Chapter 11 started, you man not even be included, even if you held till cancellation. So, if you make the decision to hold, at least base it on facts. www.sfmslaw.com/frequently-asked-questions.html12. What is the "class period" in a securities case? The class period is the time during which it is believed the alleged fraud or other securities law violations caused the price of the stock at issue in the case to be artificially inflated. Only investors who purchased stock during this period are included in the class action suit. Initially determined by plaintiffs' counsel after extensive research and investigation, the class period may change during the course of the litigation based on information learned during the discovery (information-gathering) phase of the lawsuit. 15. Can I sell my stock in the company being sued and still be a class member? "Yes. You do not need to keep the stock after the class period has expired to participate in the lawsuit, as long as your sale results in a loss. If you have a gain, you do not have any damages to recover. "
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Post by rc1974 on Aug 29, 2013 6:53:30 GMT -5
Thank you for the information, but still remains the fact that we are hoping for a buyout till the very end, so would not sell anyway. The bottom line, someone has to hold on and someone has to leave. You all left (Sarah included, as I remember she was out before the cancellation news, and good for her), while we are staying. Simple as that. I appreciate all the concern, so thank you everyone, sincerely thank you, but we all need to move on with our lives. Those who are out and those who are still in, who will see their shares cancelled. Does that sound like a plan? Also, are we allowed to talk about our investment and lay out a wish list? I think so. I am extremely concerned with people wanting to break our wish talk. Why, do you care so much? We are all allowed to dream a little and believe in it. Never, have I seen a group of dreamers be antagonized so much. We know that we can lose everything, thank you for reminding us. Why is it such an interest to everyone, that we sell our few thousand dollars left from this investment? Have you all such a big heart? Really, then please donate more money in church and help the poor, not us, the homeless in the streets. Put your time to good use. I understand, that a healthy discussion needs both sides, but we are days away from the end. Now we just need peace and quiet till the end. And if things go down the drain, oh well, but please do not take it personally for us. There are many more people out there that can use your helping hand. We are all convinced this will work out for us, and if you think we are fools, then it has been said enough. We get it, we are fools. Now, does that change anything? Probably not. So, see how everyone's time is wasted.
Good luck everyone.
RC
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Post by Marriott on Aug 29, 2013 8:24:39 GMT -5
Good morning.......
Good luck to each of you !
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Post by sirbika on Aug 29, 2013 8:30:01 GMT -5
If the stock stays then there will still be an opportunity to buy even after a buyout....some just will not catch the gap up that is all...stay tuned. There is nothing to fear here people. Kodak will still be around leaner and meaner.
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Post by cswift71 on Aug 29, 2013 8:42:56 GMT -5
Thank you for the information, but still remains the fact that we are hoping for a buyout till the very end, so would not sell anyway. The bottom line, someone has to hold on and someone has to leave. You all left (Sarah included, as I remember she was out before the cancellation news, and good for her), while we are staying. Simple as that. I appreciate all the concern, so thank you everyone, sincerely thank you, but we all need to move on with our lives. Those who are out and those who are still in, who will see their shares cancelled. Does that sound like a plan? Also, are we allowed to talk about our investment and lay out a wish list? I think so. I am extremely concerned with people wanting to break our wish talk. Why, do you care so much? We are all allowed to dream a little and believe in it. Never, have I seen a group of dreamers be antagonized so much. We know that we can lose everything, thank you for reminding us. Why is it such an interest to everyone, that we sell our few thousand dollars left from this investment? Have you all such a big heart? Really, then please donate more money in church and help the poor, not us, the homeless in the streets. Put your time to good use. I understand, that a healthy discussion needs both sides, but we are days away from the end. Now we just need peace and quiet till the end. And if things go down the drain, oh well, but please do not take it personally for us. There are many more people out there that can use your helping hand. We are all convinced this will work out for us, and if you think we are fools, then it has been said enough. We get it, we are fools. Now, does that change anything? Probably not. So, see how everyone's time is wasted. Good luck everyone. RC The people that are SO interested in everybody else's investment and trying so desperately to save our $$ are the ones that amuse me. So many saints and angels on these boards. One of my favorites are the ones that say I CALLED IT ALL RIGHT. Well then short it from the top and make a fortune. Retire on a beach drinking adult beverages the rest of your life...but no...they would rather banter with us on a message board. Righto.
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Post by angelsrwatchn on Aug 29, 2013 9:19:21 GMT -5
There's only one "angels" on this board and that is me and God knows....I'm no angel......just going through life trying to hold that little candle.
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