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Post by Admin on Dec 1, 2012 17:25:38 GMT -5
I was thinking about what AP said on the video, how he said that they are close to the sale for the patents and for what he said was a fair price.
I was wondering how high this price was.
Anyway, post on yahoo that pretty much was what I was thinking, except for the 10 billion valuation for the sale of the assets, but if it happened, I sure would NOT be complaining. I was thinking the 2.2 to 2.6 billion valuation, and how close to that number they may come if they do sell them. Plus the rim and apple past infringement money they will be owed down the road.
AP stated in that video that they are very close to getting fair value for IPs By hcaebynnus . Dec 1, 2012 8:40 AM . Permalink
The assessed value by EK was 6 billion. How much is a number close to that? Then they have near deals with interested parties for the businesses for sale, which he also expects to monetize fairly, plus the billion dollars in cash, etc. Are we looking at around 10 billion? Certainly, no company would lend a billion like they did to a company without collateral...pretty basic knowledge.
Sentiment: Buy
Of course the usual suspects were beating the doom and gloom drums.
SBG
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Post by mikewestveer on Dec 1, 2012 17:30:20 GMT -5
The assessed value by EK was 6 billion.
....When did Kodak ever say they were worth 6 Billion?
(I still believe that all the sales, divesitures, and patent infringement deals, Kodak, even with out a JV/merger/buyout, may be getting close to the 10 Billion number. If they do intend on emerging alone, they need a lot of money to hit the ground running and make the investments they have neglected.)
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Post by arcticfox on Dec 1, 2012 17:35:39 GMT -5
You guys are on crack.
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Post by mglassma on Dec 1, 2012 17:36:32 GMT -5
The 6 billion figure is news to me as well. i saw 2.2-2.6.
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Post by mikewestveer on Dec 1, 2012 17:37:44 GMT -5
Oh arctic sorry to see your smart ways counting for nothing... because you forgot to count a few hidden assets
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Post by Admin on Dec 1, 2012 17:48:32 GMT -5
Realistically I would like to see 2-3 billion for the sale of assets.
Patents and divisions, no idea what else they have up their sleeve.
SBG
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Post by arcticfox on Dec 1, 2012 17:54:54 GMT -5
Oh arctic sorry to see your smart ways counting for nothing... because you forgot to count a few hidden assets I know Kodak's finances, assets, and numbers better than just about anyone here. You on the other hand have no idea WTF you are talking about. You're nothing but a clueless pumper.
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Post by mikewestveer on Dec 1, 2012 17:56:26 GMT -5
and what does that make you?
"A thoughtful, independent observer with no stake in the matter"?
Yeah right, I'm glad SBG let you stay so we can tar and feather you when this is all over...
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Post by mglassma on Dec 1, 2012 17:57:10 GMT -5
Arctic,
You remind me alot of scrooge. Email me your address and I am gonna send you 125 shares of Kodak for Christmas.
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Post by arcticfox on Dec 1, 2012 18:04:19 GMT -5
and what does that make you? "A thoughtful, independent observer with no stake in the matter"? Yeah right, I'm glad SBG let you stay so we can tar and feather you when this is all over... If you want to flame, let's take it to the Kodak Lounge. Your stock is at a pathetic 20 cents and your company is on life support in Chapter 11. Who is in feather and tar right now? Who is bending over and taking it?
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Post by arcticfox on Dec 1, 2012 18:05:55 GMT -5
Arctic, You remind me alot of scrooge. Email me your address and I am gonna send you 125 shares of Kodak for Christmas. Thanks dude. You are better off sending me a lump of coal. At least it won't get cancelled.
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Post by Marriott on Dec 1, 2012 18:10:02 GMT -5
" I know Kodak's finances, assets, and numbers better than just about anyone here. "
arctic :
It's what you do with what you know that is meaningful !
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Post by mikewestveer on Dec 1, 2012 18:16:28 GMT -5
He tries to mislead people with what he knows...what a loser...
-80 karma...going to be reincarnated as a turd...
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Post by newyorkled2008 on Dec 1, 2012 18:40:23 GMT -5
SBG, when you say 6 billion, I gather you're referring to what Laura Quatela had stated during that town hall meeting immediately following the BK Filing?
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Post by Admin on Dec 1, 2012 19:57:37 GMT -5
The poster on Yahoo said 6 billion, and yes, I believe she was speaking of Laura Quatelas numbers at the town hall meeting where she said 6 billion in valuation.
This guy is so funny, he ONLY cites old numbers, as we sit here where still NOT 1 ASSET has been sold.
As soon as some assets and deals are announced, the numbers will look MUCH different.
I really wish he would hold his opinion until that happens, instead of acting like he knows the outcome.
He has already proven himself to be mentally deficient at being able to look at a situation from different perspectives. So rigid and inflexible.
No vision, no ability to think outside the box, and no flexibility in his thinking.
Its a real shame, as the guy is highly intelligent, but we all have our shortcomings.
SBG
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Post by mikewestveer on Dec 1, 2012 20:59:20 GMT -5
I guess I had never heard that number of 6 before...
I can safely say then that
2.6 Billion...conservative estimator firm auction estimate (Extremely conservative)
6 Billion...Ballpark of actual
Actual...WHO KNOWS?
All I can say is that if Kodak was thinking 6, there would be no deal unless they reached the ballpark of 6, otherwise Kodak would focus on licensing...
I still think we could break 10 Billion with all the sales...
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Post by littlefred747 on Dec 1, 2012 21:02:04 GMT -5
The poster on Yahoo said 6 billion, and yes, I believe she was speaking of Laura Quatelas numbers at the town hall meeting where she said 6 billion in valuation. This guy is so funny, he ONLY cites old numbers, as we sit here where still NOT 1 ASSET has been sold. As soon as some assets and deals are announced, the numbers will look MUCH different. I really wish he would hold his opinion until that happens, instead of acting like he knows the outcome. He has already proven himself to be mentally deficient at being able to look at a situation from different perspectives. So rigid and inflexible. No vision, no ability to think outside the box, and no flexibility in his thinking. Its a real shame, as the guy is highly intelligent, but we all have our shortcomings. SBG Yep...if you asked Arctic to identify the source of life, he would conclude that it comes from a flexing heart muscle. A little near sighted.. A little whack...
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Post by xrage on Dec 1, 2012 21:23:05 GMT -5
and what does that make you? "A thoughtful, independent observer with no stake in the matter"? Yeah right, I'm glad SBG let you stay so we can tar and feather you when this is all over... If you want to flame, let's take it to the Kodak Lounge. Your stock is at a pathetic 20 cents and your company is on life support in Chapter 11. Who is in feather and tar right now? Who is bending over and taking it? Life support? Ha what a joke Get real, you're clearly delusional. If Kodak was so desperate for support that their life depended upon it, why would they tell the Creditors to shove off with their BS financing deal and secure a better deal with better terms? Doesn't sound like desperation to me. Tell me Artic, if you're such an expert of everything Kodak, what do you know about their NOL's? Never heard ya mention those You're Clueless
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Post by xrage on Dec 1, 2012 21:24:18 GMT -5
He tries to mislead people with what he knows...what a loser... -80 karma...going to be reincarnated as a turd... lol don't be ridiculous. Turds all over the world are offended just at the thought of that.
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Post by littlefred747 on Dec 1, 2012 21:25:34 GMT -5
You are right X...Arctic is the Master Doooosh!
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Post by Admin on Dec 1, 2012 21:26:58 GMT -5
He thinks they only have little to no value, and will do nothing to help preserve common.
SBG
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Post by xrage on Dec 1, 2012 21:44:13 GMT -5
He thinks they only have little to no value, and will do nothing to help preserve common. SBG Must be then. I mean Kodak only issued a 81 page document laying their case for the importance of preserving 2.6+ billion NOL's accumulated as of 12-31-11 as soon as they filed. Not to mention setting up regulations and restrictions for trading any Kodak securities that might otherwise serve to severely limited their ability to use such tax attributes. But you know, if Artic says they're worthless albeit, he's probably dead on.
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Post by mikewestveer on Dec 1, 2012 21:47:49 GMT -5
I still think Kodak is/will find a way for another company to utilize the NOLs...
Surely there's no way Kodak could use them all themselves?
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Post by xrage on Dec 1, 2012 21:55:25 GMT -5
I still think Kodak is/will find a way for another company to utilize the NOLs... Surely there's no way Kodak could use them all themselves? I can't say how they will utilize their NOL's, but I can say it is possible to use them all themselves. NOL's carry forward up to 20 years. FTC's carry forward up to 5 years. They have more of an incentive to use their FTC's rather than NOL's as the hour glass runs out. But either way, that's plenty of time to utilize an amount of NOL's such as above, especially if their goal is to come out of this as a long term company.
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Post by arcticfox on Dec 2, 2012 11:56:00 GMT -5
If you want to flame, let's take it to the Kodak Lounge. Your stock is at a pathetic 20 cents and your company is on life support in Chapter 11. Who is in feather and tar right now? Who is bending over and taking it? Life support? Ha what a joke Get real, you're clearly delusional. If Kodak was so desperate for support that their life depended upon it, why would they tell the Creditors to shove off with their BS financing deal and secure a better deal with better terms? Doesn't sound like desperation to me. Tell me Artic, if you're such an expert of everything Kodak, what do you know about their NOL's? Never heard ya mention those You're Clueless Learn to do a search on this board and on yahoo you noob. I've discussed it at least a dozen times.
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Post by updated on Dec 2, 2012 12:06:19 GMT -5
Arctic, I have a medical condition, my balls get filled quickly and heavily, can you suck the cum out of my balls plzzzz....
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Post by updated on Dec 2, 2012 12:07:44 GMT -5
Arctic, I have a medical condition, my balls get filled quickly and heavily, can you suck the cum out of my balls plzzzz.... and when I say my balls get filled quickly, mean every hour, so you will enjoy it, I know...
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Post by updated on Dec 2, 2012 12:09:04 GMT -5
Arctic, I have a medical condition, my balls get filled quickly and heavily, can you suck the cum out of my balls plzzzz.... and when I say my balls get filled quickly, mean every hour, so you will enjoy it, I know... Or bring your g/f, let her have some fun,,,, she is probably so bored from ur stupid no life jerk
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